When they get all they can out of the deal, they'll screw over Nokia like so many of their former "partners". I'm guessing that is what the investors are reacting to at the moment.
Nokia could have done other things: 1 Push Meego. But instead they went the choice with the fewest benefits. There are many that would argue that going with Android would have made Nokia another "me too" phone manufacturer and less distinctive.
I would argue how is going with MS any better. MS has already put some massive restrictions on WP7 so that one phone model really isn't very distinctive from another model in terms of UI. With Android, Nokia would have more the ability to customize it to their own purposes. Feel the fragmentation. Just what Nokia needs now. True, but making a deal like this with Microsoft isn't a viable No. Pact with the Devil and all that.
And the GP is correct when he says, "like most companies, MS is only really interested in how the Nokia deal serves them. Something smells here, but I can't put my finger on it.
Could it be that with Nokia dependent on MS for phone software, the biggest holder of smartphone related patents is no longer a threat to Microsoft?
Apple and Microsoft have some kind of patent sharing deal, which is good for Microsoft, but does Apple no good against Nokia's phone patents. And Google's pretty much on their own. Maybe Motorola's got some protection to offer Android, but I personally don't like the idea of an emboldened Microsoft waving bullshit UI patents as a threat to Android with nobody left to countersue. I wonder if there's a connection between those two sentences.
This isn't about patents, by any chance? He loves it when a plan comes together [dailyfinance. That list is interesting in that apart from the top handful there's not a lot of money there.
What happened to all the "Microsoft Millionaires"? Did they all cash out? That's in regards to cell phones. Ericsson still manufactures hardware for cell phone companies just as Nokia does. SE did pretty good for a while but ish were pretty bad years for them.
Although, they've seemed to turn it around this past year. They're introducing several more Android handsets and it's rumored that they have a WP7 phone in the works. I'd be shocked if Nokia were "toast". They're still one of the biggest handset makers in the world, and their name recognition alone is worth billions in the market.
And while guys like Steve Jobs are going " simplify! This is all you've got? Where are all the choices? Just because Apple's strategy is good for Apple doesn't mean it'll be good for Nokia, just like Mercedes isn't going to pursue the same strategy as Ford. They're both still going to make a lot of money. Just look at them; beyond some probably fairly atypical but vocal and visible place.
Curious way of being "toast" This data is wildly skewed. Let's not forget about the low-end price range. In , MediaTek supplied complete reference designs for phone chipsets, which enabled manufacturers in the Shenzhen region of China to produce phones at an unbelievable pace.
By some accounts, this ecosystem now produces more than one third of the phones sold globally - taking share from us in emerging markets. That's a direct quote from the Nokia CEO in his " burning platform [engadget. And Android just beat up Symbian at recess on the school playground and took its middle-of-the-line market share. Nokia has no strategy, very little future, and it really doesn't matter if you look at it from an American or European perspective.
The only thing missing is Netcraft confirmi. Nevertheless it IS impossible to pick a Nokia phone unless you happen to be a Nokia phone expert.
Now that people are starting to buy handsets instead of just being grateful for whatever crap the phone company threw at them, this is becoming a problem. Getting down to two models is a challenge though; there is still a large market for "in-between" phones which have decent battery life and small size but still a reasonable amount of features.
The Slashdot market may be divided between "I don't need no stinking texting" and "no can-opener? People aren't complete idiots well, most aren't anyway , give them a little credit. I don't think it's a stupid thing, it's a geek thing. When amorsen says "it IS impossible to pick a Nokia phone", what he means I assume is "given, a set of requirements, it's almost impossible to select the optimal Nokia phone for my needs". Which may be perfectly true but not something everyone worries about.
Its also I've spoken to grunt-level insiders a token belief at Nokia that they will do badly in North America. This is something i simply don't get. My first three phones were from Nokia.
My dad and sister both had Nokia phones early on. Wanna know why I made the plunge to HTC and by extension my dad, since he gets my hand-me-down expensive phones?
Then I discovered HTC doesn't entirely suck, and the next three p. It's been called the Paradox of Choice [ted. The problem is that when you are spending a large amount of money such as on a cell phone , the costs of getting it wrong can be large since, unlike a box of cookies, replacement isn't cheap. Having to choose between dozens of nearly identical models can be confusing or at least taxing.
Steve Jobs gets this. Things may not have matched your exact criteria as closely, but it was much easier to find something close to your criteria than it was before. Car companies can be quite guilty of this too. After that you get to options, and other companies are the same.
So if you want buy a car, and price isn't a big object, and you want to look at Mercedes, BMW, Volvo, and Audio you could be looking at comparing cars just to get a sedan, and thats without the individual option packages. There was a great picture on a gadget site a year or two ago. It was a picture of Sony's lineup of earbuds.
Between different styles, ear loops, colors, etc there were over combinations of products they were selling. There were just too many choices. This has always been a bit of a problem for Sony. Right now, their site lists 13 point and shoot cameras, 23 handycam camcorders, and 11 clock radios. They have at least seven different 46" TVs. Do you know why Flip video succeeded? They made a simple little video camera, but they made ONE. Right now they have 3. One with a touch strip, one with HD, and a smaller one with HD and a rechargeable battery.
Easy to pick. With sony, you need to decide form factor, 3D, resolution, pop-out screen Or you could do as most people do, walk in their favorite dealership and have the sales guy deal with all that for you and narrow it down to two or three models. Exactly as normal people do with cellphones, by the way, and is how Nokia maintains a healthy share of the cellphone market in spite of uppity Apple and their glorious lack of choice.
Only in NA is Nokia an also-ran. Because nowhere else is it normal to get the phone for "free" with your contract. Contracts which are preposterous in the first place. Because nowhere else are consumers ignorant enough and regulators lazy enough to allow that. So outside of NA, your iPhone is wayyy too expensive for what it is. Except if you are an asshole yuppie urbanite that is. He pisses off his entire dev base hoping to get a new one, presumably. Telling devs "you know those devices you targeted?
They're gone" is not good. And WP phone devs are probably not going to be so eager to replace their just-shafted colleagues Because investors realised that the man knows nothing, and is more than just clueless: he is actively and destructively stupid.
The problem at Nokia is that the CEO only realised the company is in trouble very recently, when the signs have been clearly visible for years. Ask the average man in the street to name any current Nokia product, any feature that only Nokia phones have, or anything that Nokia phones are particularly good at, and you'll get blank looks.
Every single Apple phone launch has been a bigger media event than every Nokia launch in the history of the company put together. Fundamentally, mobile phones are a product wi.
Every phone I have ever owned has been subsidised. Same with my partner. Same for everyone in my family as well unless you count those family members who have had our old phones, but that's a kind of subsidy right? This is the NA perspective. Understand this: only in NA are phones subsidised as a norm. Therefore only in NA are the smartphones a dominant factor in the market. Because nowhere else are they affordable. Not that people are poorer in Europe: rather no one could afford the smartphones in the NA market if they weren't subsidised.
Not true. This is the norm in Germany, too. You get a "free" phone with your contract. After two years typical contract term , you get the offer to renew your contract, along w. Being the biggest handset maker means nothing if you can't make money from your customers. As shown here [gigaom. That is a huge drop in profit when compared to other companies.
Basically, Nokia is selling tons of cheap phones but not many expensive ones where all the profits lie. Moreover, companies in China and India are gearing up to move into the cheap phones market also. This means that Nokia would be squeeze from both end. In memoriam : Microsoft's previous strategic mobile partners.
Nokia has been amazing at undercutting all other phone manufactures's prices on the low end, yielding amazing sales in poor countries. Yet, now we're seeing Chinese companies who'll basically just copy all Nokia's products, and produce phone even more cheaply using almost slave labor, which'll obliterate into Nokia razor thin margins. We're entering a time when Nokia's western low-end phones will run Symbian while other low-end phone remain simply feature phones because Symbian requires less resources than Android, iOS, Blackberry, WP7, etc.
I donno how long that bright period will last of course, well maybe it'll depend most upon the marketing for Android, iPhone, Blackberry, etc. In smart phones, Nokia could've easily run with MeeGo plus Andoird apps [youtube. It's dubious however that WP7 will deliver either the developers given that Apple and Android own the market currently, or the users, given that Android delivers all the choices you mentioned.
I don't think it is too much over the top. Nokia has almost no market share in the US. How Apple and Google will kill the password Imagine sitting down at a public PC, surfing the Web, visiting Facebook, checking your online bank account and buying something on Amazon. Elgan: When the iPhone feels your pain We love our gadgets.
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Sponsored By. They're pushing a quality product forward with the agility to compete favorably with Apple, RIM, and everyone else. If Nokia fails it will be a failure of a broken engineering culture. The lack of apps on their platform can be placed firmly at the feet of their development platform. My failed startup involved an attempt to build a S60 app. It took my partner and I 6 months to get the thing built it wasn't a large or particularly complicated app thanks to all of the idiosyncrasies of that platform.
This despite having spent the previous 5 years working with S60 on a much larger and more complicated project which was also a nightmare. To succeed in the mobile space you need a strong platform, with strong UI concepts, and strong developer tools that help them get their job done quickly.
Apple and Google both have that, Nokia does not. The Nokia [ It's very possible that low-end smartphones will take over the dumphone market soon Unlikely. There's a few elephants in the room here, the biggest being battery time. You'd be surprised how many people would give you a blank stare if you told them their next phone needs to re-charged almost every night, in exchange for being able to play angry birds Also take a close look at the issues of your presumably high-end smartphone.
Now, when was the last time you tried to use a low-end smartphone? You'd be surprised how many people would give you a blank stare if you told them their next phone needs to re-charged almost every night There's no fundamental reason Android devices won't emerge that have awesome or at least, way better battery life.
We haven't seen demand for that in western markets simply because the high end phone space is dominated by flashy hardware and high end features. Android is very flexible and scales down to surprisingly low end device specs.
Well, there's only so many trade-offs you can make on a cheap phone. A touchscreen is not only a big cost-factor and battery-drainer but also impairs usability of the core feature making calls significantly. Sure, you could cut out the touchscreen and still run android but that's hardly a smartphone then If Nokia would concentrate on good low end phone, maybe they could make a phone with a good sound quality.
It's very hard to hear anything from modern phones when you actually try to talk to someone. And no one is even trying to fix that. And add to that the cost of paying a provider for 3G Internet connection every month, and the allure of a phone that lasts for a week and can make calls and send texts shines through. Reminds me of portable laptop computers. Weak processors. Awful graphics performance. Awful battery life. You'd be nuts to make one of these your sole computer. Plus they get a well known manufacturer to put their platform out amongst the carriers.
The platform is shaky and poor designed. A huge mistake. Nokia will implode as a result. Sales will be poor and it will cut their profit margins even further. Then on Monday at the Mobile World Congress, he does a keynote address where he pulls it out and demos it, and says it will ship by May.
That would be Jobsian. Carriers want a 3rd choice, iOS, Android and something. Right now, noone knows who that 3rd choice is going to be. Is it the NoWin phone? Becoming that 3rd choice would be a big deal for Nokia and Microsoft, because developers will then develop for it, and carriers would carry it, and it would buy Nokia time to actually develop Meego if it becomes obvious that success requires an integrated approach shown by iOS, Blackberry, HP, Bada, etc.
Nokia should make simple phones — thats what they are good at. Because they are all freaking out at Apples huge profits, they cant see that there is room for other kinds of phones.
They will be reduced to a small office in Sweden and a guy calling China to tell them how many phones to manufacture and ship, with crappy software being delivered from Redmond. Of course, Nokia is heading for a big fall, probably being eaten by another co. Any group who hires that Dolt Elop deserves what they get, but I feel sorry for the workers. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Learn how your comment data is processed.
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